Episode 24: Winter in Ukraine
Anatol Lieven on the Case for Ukrainian Neutrality
It is day fourteen of Russia’s war on Ukraine. Ukrainian resistance and Russian logistical issues have together denied Moscow a quick victory, but the fighting continues—and intensifies. Meanwhile, despite several rounds of diplomatic talks, a peaceful settlement does not seem to be in sight. However, our guest this week, Russia expert Anatol Lieven, offers proposals that he thinks could end the war.
Days before Ukrainian and Russian officials met for the third time for negotiations, Anatol joined the Eurasia Group Foundation’s Mark Hannah to discuss Russia’s invasion, Ukraine’s and Russia’s interwoven history, and what a peace deal might look like. As the costs of war mount, Anatol makes it clear that compromise, though painful, is in the interest of both countries.
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Anatol Lieven is a senior research fellow on Russia and Europe at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft and author of several books including, Ukraine and Russia: A Fraternal Rivalry.
This podcast episode includes references to the Eurasia Group Foundation, now known as the Institute for Global Affairs.
Show notes:
“How to get to a place of peace for Ukraine,” (Anatol Lieven, Responsible Statecraft, March 3, 2022)
“It’s time to ask: what would a Ukraine-Russia peace deal look like?” (Anatol Lieven, The Guardian, March 4, 2022)
